In episode 116 I continue my conversation with Dave Valancourt. Last week left us on a cliffhanger and now we're back to delve into the nitty-gritty of Dave's latest 1/25th scale hydroplane model kits. These aren't just any model kits; they're a labor of love, intricately crafted with turbine engines akin to the various hydroplanes on the circuit today (or a meticulous Allison motor). We reminisce over the some of his most prized collectibles, racing with his family and even the new E1 series. Enjoy!
You can learn more about Dave's business and access to his website that will house more information about the upcoming 1/25th scale models here: DA Graphics
In episode 116 I continue my conversation with Dave Valancourt. Last week left us on a cliffhanger and now we're back to delve into the nitty-gritty of Dave's latest 1/25th scale hydroplane model kits. These aren't just any model kits; they're a labor of love, intricately crafted with turbine engines akin to the various hydroplanes on the circuit today (or a meticulous Allison motor). We reminisce over the some of his most prized collectibles, racing with his family and even the new E1 series. Enjoy!
You can learn more about Dave's business and access to his website that will house more information about the upcoming 1/25th scale models here: DA Graphics
Rooster Tail Talk, the podcast dedicated to everything about the sport that we all love, hydroplane racing. I am your host, david Newton, and it's time once again. So sit back, relax and welcome to Rooster Tail Talk Top. Welcome back, listeners and race fans. We're on to episode 116.
Speaker 1:And today is part two of my interview with Dave Valancourt. I left you on a cliffhanger last week before we got a chance to talk about these model kits, the 125th model kits that are coming out. He went to China and did a lot of work with his team and manufacturers to get some pretty cool kits that are going to be rather inexpensive coming out this summer and you're going to get some more information on those kits, what they'll entail. He talks a little bit about pricing, release dates and just some exciting fun things with that and it's something that a sport hasn't really had well in many years. These little model kits. It's going to be fun for kids of all ages, including myself. I'm looking forward to those.
Speaker 1:And before we dive into this, I want to give a quick shout out and thanks to Mickey Hill. He suggested I reached out to Dave Valancourt and get this interview and I'm really glad he did because I had a fun talk with Dave, not only about these model kits but just about hydroplane racing. Some of our histories with the sport Got a chance to know Dave a little bit better. I met Dave several times over the years. Of course he knew my father and had some conversations with Dave before Knew him more, so just for his work in the sport. But it was great to talk with Dave more about his contributions and his marketing visions for the sport. So hope you enjoy the rest of this talk and we'll jump right back in where we left off last week so we can hear more about these model kits coming out this summer.
Speaker 2:The model kit this year. That's really that's a lot of work that I've put in with my team and exterior people. So I mean, without the support of the hydroplane community there's no way it can be done. The tooling there's, I think, nine tools altogether and I think they weigh more than a hydroplane does combined. Just the tools, there are a couple of tons each, so a small car. Each of them solid steel. Um the ability to produce we can produce about 300 000 pieces off of that tool, um, but we only are planning on running uh 1500. So but, uh, they will last for decades. Yeah, want to run them again. So we built them to to last and to be as um close to snap together as possible.
Speaker 1:So well, let's talk more about those. You're, you've teased some pictures and some other people have teased some pictures on social media and there's quite a few people, I think, clamoring to get some of those, some model kits of the current hydroplanes that are out there. How many different kits are going to be available? What's the size of these?
Speaker 2:They are 125th scale. I think I have one of them right here. So they've got a turbine engine. We actually scanned, 3d scanned the Home Streets motor, because there isn't a turbine model out there of any size of that T-55 that we could find at least the Allison motor. We took lots of pictures and we got some drawings from the Allison Corporation. From the Allison Corporation, so off of there's a website that has 3D printed or 3D arts or 3D drawings from years ago and we had to basically adapt that from the Allison Archives essentially, or the GM Archives is how we get the drawings. And then Jerry Nellis, uh, who's a incredible model builder, took those drawings and then we had some other parts and then hand whittled some stuff and then handmade a full prototype of this and, uh, your dad's uh plans that he did I, you know, uh, from the budweiser days, um, that's, we use that as kind of some rough drawings to be able to scale it down and went from there. Um, so, uh, you know, your dad's legacy is in there too.
Speaker 1:so I'd love to hear that, I'm sure the the help with that as well.
Speaker 2:yeah, of course. Um, so that's, I mean, that's what we're doing now, and so it's right now. The production of them is going to start running on the 4th of April. We're going to start injection molding. I'm going over on the 7th, so we'll be done with the injection molding when I get there on the 9th. And then we're doing packaging and we're working on decals and all the rest of that stuff and finalizing. The problem is a lot of the teams still aren't set with all their sponsors, and so ultimately, you know, we'll probably have a second decal sheet in each of those last-minute things.
Speaker 2:So, that's where we're at Aim to have them in hands the end of May for the Richland testing. Oh, okay.
Speaker 1:Okay, so people will be able to purchase them end of May over in Tri-Cities.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they should be able to do that, and I think Griggs is going to carry them in their stores over there, in their five stores over in eastern Washington oh wow, he's hardware for those and he may have some deals with other teams to put them in their store as well. So look at their that, uh, the hydroplane museum is committed for a bunch of them too. Um, we're pulling out some. They'll be doing uh, a whole bunch of different ones. So I mean we'll have uh decal sets, we, um, we. We got the permission yesterday for Oberto, which took a while. Oberto's are all gone, right, right, right. So we did get the permission to use it there and I think we have what? Is there eight teams, or is there nine, nine different bolts?
Speaker 1:That's a good question.
Speaker 2:We are short of one. Okay, everybody else is committed to doing a kit and we have one. That's kind of the outlier and we'll see what happens with that. Okay, usually peer pressure works really well with that, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, if you have eight out of nine doing it, why hang out? Exactly, exactly, okay.
Speaker 2:Your fans are not happy with you at that point.
Speaker 1:There might be some fans switching teams there. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Because they can have their model kit.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah. All right and then, so these will be available also at the races around the circuit correct.
Speaker 2:Right, the teams will be taking them with them, so we don't sell them. My company, da International, doesn't get involved with the sales out to the general public. You know we'll be here to support whatever. If people got questions or they need a spare part or something like that or something broke, we'll have replacement parts and be able to do that. It'll all be in the instruction kit and how to contact us to be able to. You know, because, uh, you get about a two percent, one and a half to two percent defect rate on manufacturing and so we know, um, you know there'll be missing parts or broken parts or, you know, misformed, and we'll take care of it Okay, and it even comes with paint, so it has decals.
Speaker 1:Is there anything the modeler needs, or does it come with everything, pretty much in there?
Speaker 2:Well, it depends on which boat you have. I mean. So if you've got like the Griggs, he'll be selling paint at the store that will be matching for spray paint Because you really want to spray the hull. Um, that will be matching for spray paint Cause you really want to spray the whole um and really just the Krylon, the two X, you know, um, it's, it's actually just Toyota red, as, from what I understand, is the red for the U3. Um, but, uh, any of the plastic, any of the spray paints from testers to Krylon, will work, perfect for that Um, but the rest of it will have, you know, for the driver, you know the engine stacks and that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2:You'll have the six or seven basic colors, the acrylic paints. We try to do enamel and we've been battling it for the last week trying to get enamel, oil-based enamel, in here and it's really difficult and then it makes the kits hazardous and then we'd have to ship it as a hazardous goods and then you can't airship anything and everything. So we're going with a glossy acrylic oil base but it's not an enamel. If you're familiar with, like any of the Japanese models, you know the transformers and that kind of stuff that you can buy. They're all using the acrylic as well, and so that's the way we're going to go with that. So you'll get paint, you'll get some brushes and you'll get a tube of glue, but any of the tester stuff off of the shelf at any of the hobby shops. We'll put it together that way and you can paint it with any of those. It's all compatible, but you will get the starter set.
Speaker 2:To do that, I would recommend get some spray paint, yeah, yeah, or get a little airbrush and yeah then it paints so, um, so that's uh, yeah, it's gonna come complete and everybody's like really, um, they will last for about a year or two, but the paints will dry up. So that's why Revel and those guys usually don't put the paints in the kits First. It's a secondary source of income. The second thing is they get complaints all the time. After they've been sitting around for 10 years, the paint and the glue is dried.
Speaker 1:Okay, all right, and I heard a price, but I'm not sure if I'm correct on that. What should the consumer expect for price?
Speaker 2:So somewhere in the $49.50 to $54. But most what I've heard is $50. You know, I'm not the one pricing them out, they are fundraisers for the team. So I mean, uh, and basically the cost is based on, uh, a lot of tooling expense and not so much the kid expenses. Just you know, recoup your and not so much the kit expenses. Just you know, recoup the investment and the tools and break even is kind of the thing for this year. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Well, it's fantastic. I predict it will be a great hit with the fans. I can't recall the last time the sport had a kit like this. Was it the Testers Budweiser kit in like 76 or so?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think it was the last I saw they had. It was 79, was the last year selling them? I think, yes, 76, it was the old pan pack budweiser. Um, yeah, that was the last. And that's kind of what inspired me to do this is because when I was a kid I loved those things and then I was on a day one day I was listing something and then I saw, um, the budweiser kit on there and it was like 150 dollars and it went to like 175. That's crazy. I mean absolutely crazy for the 995 kid at the time.
Speaker 2:A little I started talking to dave williams and I said what do you think you know? And he goes well, there's like 350 people that you could count on to buy one of these things, that's. I was like okay, and then I started thinking about it goes. Yeah, you know what? I'm just gonna do this because it's just too cool and nobody's done it and in a long time. So, and then I kind of I was teasing out, but I really wanted to get pictures from you know each of the things, because we're still working on the box artwork for all the teams.
Speaker 2:I think we only have one set right now, but the rest of them, and all the photographers out there that you know of, have all lent a hand and said, hey, what about this one? What about this one? You know Herman and Dave Denzel. Oh, of course, chris. Chris has been great, so I mean, I can't thank him enough. He's been fantastic, and Dave has been really good as well. And, um, there's some other individual, uh, out there that have sent some other stuff in. So, um, you know, we really appreciate it. We're, of course, going to give him photo credit on the inside, unfortunately, because we can't, we're going to put it right on the outside of the box, that photo credits, and it's going to have everybody's name on there, because you don't remember which one came from which, unfortunately. So we're like which one is this? Um? So I mean, but, uh, you know, it kind of got mixed up a little bit on who had what, so we're going to cover our bases on that and give credit where it's due. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Well, fantastic. I love to see this happen this year. I'm thankful and a lot of fans are excited for it. I know a lot of older kids like myself will be very excited to get those, but hopefully it'll be good for the little ones like my. You know, growing up and watching the sport get them a little bit more involved involved.
Speaker 2:It's funny because last year at the Madison race they were racing the diecast down the gutter. I was posted. I was like, oh, this is awesome. So, you know, it's always fun to see your stuff kind of being, and, you know, being used for things. And you know, in the hydroplane museum, all the little USB flash drives that we've done, done, I think we're up to 50 of those little buggers. Wow, there's a lot of them. Um, I don't even think we have all of them. We usually keep one or two just to have as a reference. Um, because I you know, our factory tends to lose some dyes. They're not very big and they. So now we've, we've in the last couple of years, since COVID, we've actually taken the molds with us and we store them in our office in Shenzhen. So we still have them, because we lost a couple and I was kind of ticked off that we had to remake them and they're not exactly the same. So it's kind of that, okay, yeah.
Speaker 1:Okay, well, is there anything you're planning for the future, or are you still trying to get through the 125th scale kit and all that's going around with that right now?
Speaker 2:Well, it's those right there working on some die casts. I've got a couple sponsors interested in doing die cast. That's it for right now. And there's some crew uniforms we're working on and some gp stuff as well, um, but uh, it's actually pretty quiet this year, um, and it's, I think, the changing of the sport by the h1 type thing. Um, and you, I've been watching H1 or the E1 series, europe, the electric powerboat races.
Speaker 2:I see I'm like I'm going to actually I'm going to go here to one of the races, and probably in Spain in June, so we're going to pop down there. Sophia and I are going to go down to it. Down there, sophia and I are going to go down to it. And John Peters, who's one of the outboard guys and has the world's record of the fastest electric hydroplane and over 111 miles an hour or something like that in an electric boat. He's a team principal for one of the teams in Blue Rising and it's interesting because they've got a little different. They've got a hugely different format.
Speaker 2:Right, you know, it's not only, it's not just left turns, go fast and turn left. It's more like sailboat racing, where they're making them work and then they're splitting it up as two different drivers and two different. You know women and men. You know racing each other separately. It'd be interesting. Uh, you know women and men, you know racing each other separately. It'd be interesting. You know, I'm not involved with any of the h1 portion of it but, um, spicing it up a little bit, um, doing some multi, you know, uh, male and female drivers for the same hall and changing them up and have them race by race time rather than their, their uh, gender. So that might be something interesting. But you know, that's that's for them to figure out what they're going to do, to get eyeballs and get people more involved. So, and I'm sure they've got plans of what they're doing and I wish them the best and of course I'm here to help with anything I can for the whole sport.
Speaker 1:Well, I'd love to hear, after you go to the event, what your take is on that. I'm pretty intrigued with the E1 concept because it seems like they're trying to really introduce some new technology with a lot of things, like with the buoys. They're not anchored buoys, it looks like they're positioned on like a satellite system yes, yeah, yes, okay, yeah, and they can kind of maneuver them out there. There's a lot of other different things they're doing for the sport, but also helping out. From what they've said, that they're helping out the cities and trying to leave some electronic charging stations and do some other positives for the community as well. So it's just really intriguing what they're doing out there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's. You know they've really hit it with their marketing. I mean, they have some pretty deep pockets. The Saudi fund is helping them, or I don't know if it's PIF, I think is what it's called. I don't know. It's a public investment fund of one of the countries and they're doing it. Lucid Motors seems to be one of their sponsors as well.
Speaker 2:So they're trying to get heavy hitters out there for awareness of it. They're doing an ecological kind of play on it of. You know, we don't want to disturb the seabed, we want to raise above the seabed, we want to keep the noise down, that type of thing. And you know that's where the floating buoys with the GPS-controlled things come about. Their telemetry apparently is is very similar to the formula one stuff I understand, which is really cool. Um, I mean, that's pretty incredible stuff. Um, there, uh, the I did hear that. Uh, somebody was telling me that those buoys are great, but once in a while they'll go off on their own, because even the sail that they it comes from the sailboat world okay, sailboats use them, and once in a while those things will just go streaking across all right.
Speaker 1:Well, you gotta keep an eye out for where the course goes, I guess exactly that's.
Speaker 2:I mean, that's what I, if the sport can mirror kind of uh, the e1 series, kind of shaking it up, rather than just a nascar type of you know, go around left turns, you know, I know they don't work well in right turns, that's what formula one boats do, but if there is something that they can add in to spice it up, to get more interest by, uh, the younger generation, yeah from there.
Speaker 2:So I mean, you know, maybe it's the turbine driving, uh, an electric motor, a generator that becomes a you know a smaller turbine that you know spins to the electric motor as the power source. So you get dual power source instead of just batteries. I don't know that whole technology basis, but that might be an interesting future.
Speaker 1:That would be interesting because that possibly could open up a lot of doors for different sponsorships and manufacturers to enter. Quite interesting. We'll bring it back more towards h1. I just think about marketing and I just think back to like the 80s and 90s when I was a kid and it seemed like most teams had like a tent or uh, trailers actually trailers and had lots and lots of merchandise for sale. Um, that kind of went away. But um seems, seems like you know, you're trying to bring some of that back um to the sport. Um, just how do you feel that it compares now to back then?
Speaker 2:oh, it's a whole different thing. Um, I think 2006 2007 was kind of in 2008 was kind of the highlights of of my side of the merchandising, because budweiser was doing it in the 80s and the 70s and they had Joan and all those guys doing the merchandising things and they were subsidized by, you know, bernie's program and so you know they were making money at it. But it wasn't. It was more about visibility with the teams and stuff. It's about visibility of the sponsor and it's still kind of. It still is. What it is today is visibility.
Speaker 2:You know years we used to do floating key chains with little floating hydros inside of them. We had clocks with those things, we had pens, we had pens where they'd race across there. We had pens, we had pens where they'd race across there. Even KVI and KOMO got into it and did a bunch of floating hydroplanes across there for the telecast at the time. You know there was just a lot of stuff that we've done in the past drinking cups, everything else. So the diecasts are pretty much that's kind of the winner. I think we've ran a total of about 150,000, 160,000 of them, so between all the teams, the Mariners.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Just a few, all right.
Speaker 1:Just a few. Yeah, I believe were you behind kind of Oberto and Home Street, having that dome tent out there as well.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, we had one. We had a blimp too, a hydroplane blimp that we flew over the Rainier Avenue store so we filled it with helium. It took like four tanks of helium to get it up there and it was just winding around and all kinds of crap. So it was a good idea and it was. I don't know if it was badly executed. We just it was just the wrong spot for it, the wrong at the right time. It was pretty cool. It was a double-sided hydro. Uh, I think it's still. I think it's in their rafters up at down in Kent in the Alberta place. And then there's, there was a giant hydro.
Speaker 2:We did one year the dome tents for everybody from Home Street to who else was it? American Family Insurance did one. Yeah, home Street did a couple. So Charlie and Nancy did a couple of those. We had different sizes as well. I think it was first Alberto had one. So we had two different Alberto ones, a smaller and a really big one for the Pasco side and the Richland side. We had that, and then Home Street's got a couple of them still, but I haven't had another one. We're doing just more of the pop-up tents so they're not like the easy ups there. Their frames are like twice as wide and their channel, the aluminum channels that these things are really heavy duty. So I mean it's because they get trashed, yeah, pretty much every year we got to do a new top for them.
Speaker 1:Well, they're out in the elements and the wind and all that, so I have to go through quite a bit.
Speaker 2:When they get packed up is when they get hurt. Oh, okay, or you're in a rush to get out of here, right?
Speaker 1:Yeah, final heat is done. A rush to get out of here.
Speaker 2:Right, yeah, I found he's done. It's 100 and whatever degrees they're ready to go home.
Speaker 1:It's down all right. Well, I I imagine you're a collector. Do you have like a prized piece of memorabilia that is your own, or maybe not your own? That was produced?
Speaker 2:um, not, there's a couple things that I really, um, you know, really cherish, and, uh, I think my number one is, uh, there's a painter out there his name's pete shilly um, who I started racing radio-controlled boats with in what? 1987 or 86. We did the electric thunders with Tracy Osterhout yeah, we were one 16th and we were doing electric motors back then and that's how I met Pete. So, I mean, been friends for many, many, many years and I always enjoy talking to him. But when my son was born, about a year and a half or two years later, I asked him to come paint a mural on the wall and he painted the, my son's bedroom, with the, um, the pico flip, uh, where it had the mountain in the background, oh wow, and he put andrew on the tail instead of u00 or whatever it was. So, and and to this day, so my son's moved out and we've re, we've remodeled the whole room because he used to have this bunk bed and everything. It's still there and I and I threatened to cut the drywall out to keep that painting. So my wife, let you know, just keep it and just paint around it and everything else. And so I think that's my, that's my thing that, uh, I love the most.
Speaker 2:As far as memorabilia, um, I've got like pieces of the slow-mo on the wall in a in a box and uh, um, pete also painted a piece of the thriftway the one that hit the coast guard, I think um and for, uh, and I got a piece of that with a painting of the thriftway on the actual deck, piece of that hanging in the office. And then my staff, uh, for christmas, uh, about two years ago or three years ago, um got me a. They wanted to get me something for christmas and, and they talked to David Williams and he somehow got a hold of Jim Harvey's crew unit or his work overalls, the white ones with the Pay and Pack logo, and so I got that in a hanging box and pictures of him wearing it and working on the engine with it and, you know, signed Pay and Pack buttons with George Henley and from Jim as well. So I think that's my coolest thing because it came from my, it came from my staff and you know it means a lot that my staff would, you know, think about me that way. So it was, it was awesome that way.
Speaker 2:So that's, I think those are my three real pieces I've got like I don't have a prop. That's the only thing that I need to get a prop. I want it broken. You have a pair of Allison. I have an Allison and a Rolls Royce piston up there on a trophy thing that I keep here. And then I've got some boxes of other stuff. I have Colonel Schley's helmet replica on the wall oh okay, you can see it back there and there's a whole thing up on the top. That's it's got, the box and everything. Okay.
Speaker 1:Man, this is quite unique items. Yeah, that's awesome. I couldn't imagine growing up and having a mural of my rhythm. That's awesome.
Speaker 2:I know I, you know that that's I wanted my kids to. I guess I channeled my my love for boat racing through my children so I forced them to be that. But it also helped him get in college too. Between, you know, on his resume he's a race boat driver since nine and built his own boat and flies airplanes and you know the whole nine yards. So he had an experience to tell for his college resume fantastic, yeah, well, well, with your kids passion, do you?
Speaker 1:uh? My last question for you here is do you foresee them having a goal of driving unlimited one day?
Speaker 2:you know, I don't think so they don't have. So you, you know they've raced. They raced with everybody, from Carson Kelly to. You know, daniel Wyatt's kids and I mean Wyatt Dingman beat themselves up and, you know, basically wreck themselves and then she would get third place. She would get first place because they'd jump the gun or do something stupid type thing. You know, not 10 year old, 10 year old male kids with testosterone at that level. So you know, they enjoy doing it and they enjoy hanging out with me and doing that and I think it's more of a family thing. But I don't foresee either of them driving Unlimiteds.
Speaker 2:Sophia is interested in the E1 series. The boats do go slower, I mean, they're only in the 50 mark, but it's about skill. And she's really interested in ocean, environmental things and Europe. And they're going to Hong Kong in November, which is my playground, and my friends are part of the yacht club there and they're sponsoring and so I'm dragging everybody. They're all going with us, so and our friends that moved here from Hong Kong are going to come back as well for the race for the week. So we're going to do some work and then also play and, of course, get great food in Hong Kong, so that's exciting for us as we get to play in Hong Kong. That's my passion there. We'll see what happens. You never say never. I want them to do whatever they want, and that's what parenting is.
Speaker 1:Right, encourage them to do what spurs their passions so well. But thank you, dave, for doing all you do for the sport and all the marketing and promotions and toys you make. I'm excited to get a few kits this summer.
Speaker 2:We'll take care of you on that. So yeah, I mean and it's funny because my guys so you may see some stuff on eBay from us and me clearing out old stuff and all the money that we raise from that, from selling on eBay, goes to our employees' lunch fund so we stock the refrigerator with stuff and we buy lunch for everybody and so all the uh, because it's all just old inventory for us and you know people dig it out.
Speaker 2:We've got 10 000 square feet down in soto and uh got a lot of stuff there and so we still have. You know, stuff from the uh back in 2001 or 2002 will creep up. We'll find a box of crap in there. What, where'd that come from? Ebay, all right.
Speaker 1:Well, we'll have to put a link in the bio for the episode to let listeners in on your store and see what pops up. You never know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly, well. Well, we're actually going to do a website that's not part of our regular website for the model kits and you know giving people tips on how to assemble them and that type of thing, and so we'll have a fun little site for that type of thing.
Speaker 1:So well, well, thanks for talking today.
Speaker 2:I appreciate it yeah, thank you very much. I really appreciate you having me on and hopefully I didn't bore everybody and talk too much about my kids. But you know, as a parent you always are, you know, trying to, you know work for your kids, that's what it is.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, I totally understand. I do the same with my son Exactly. That's all I'm going to do. No, I don't think you bored anyone, dave. I appreciate the fun interview you had and I really love talking about sharing this passion with our families and friends and hopefully, as a listener, you can do the same with this fun sport.
Speaker 1:But for the podcast, we're going to take a week off. We've got a couple of great interviews lined up. I've already completed. I've got to go through the editing process but also balance a few things in life as well. I'm looking forward to getting those out and look for some releases on who they will be. I think one you'll be surprised on and one you already know. So I'll tell you it's Steve David. We'll have him on one of the next upcoming episodes, but look for a week off. We'll come back and you can have more of our wonderful hydroplane content once again.
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