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Episode 123: Brent Hall, Part 2

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Listen in to part 2 (of 2) of my talk with hydroplane driver Brent Hall.  Brent talks more about his passion for the sport and how things are improving.  He also shares more light into the decision to not race the 440 this year and what his options are for returning to the driver seat.  Don't miss out on the conclusion of my interview with Brent Hall. 

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Speaker 1:

Ruchetel Talk, the podcast dedicated to everything about the sport that we all love Hydroplane racing. I am your host, david Newton, and it's time once again. So sit back, relax and welcome. Rooster Tail, talk, hail Top. Hello race fans, welcome to part two of my interview with Brent Hall. It's episode 123, july 23rd 2024.

Speaker 1:

Really busy time right now. We're gearing up for some good racing, I'm hoping, in Washington state with the Columbia cup and seafair just days away now. But I'm excited for you to hear part two of my interview, the conclusion of my interview with Brent hall. And remember he was. He came over to my house, we watched the Madison regatta and just had a nice afternoon with Brent at the house Just talking about his, his racing history, his racing program and as he continues to build on his hydroplane resume and get a program running out here.

Speaker 1:

But we're going to talk more about many things around hydroplane racing and what else. But he's talking about some cross-promoting on the sport, a little bit more about that 440 experience and really share why that boat is not on the water this year. We'll talk more about the growth of H1 and then what's left for him to qualify. We talked about that one lap left, but is there more to that. So he's going to share more about his story and experience and support he's gotten along the way, and let's listen in and hear the conclusion of my interview with brent hull you know, something interesting happened, uh over the off season that I was just going to share.

Speaker 2:

I was interviewed by an astronaut. Really, yeah, she reached out and wanted to uh just talk to someone within unlimited hydroplane racing and I think she'd seen some of my posts and again, that's how that reach works. Like all of a sudden, the cross marketing uh and she uh sandra had been, sandra mingus had been in the challenger I think she's gone up three times and that was really impressive, like man to cross paths with someone like that and just know, like people love our sport when they get to know it. We just got to get it out there to more people and in different ways. So I was just blown away that she reached out and the other gentleman was a retired uh fighter pilot and they interviewed me. But there's more people out there like that that just want to learn about our sport. We just got to tell them about it yeah, yeah, it's.

Speaker 1:

Uh, yeah, just keep spreading the word um. Again, I think back to to teaching and yeah, um, I always bring it up in the classroom. I have posters up my room and just very little amount of the kids know what hydroplanes are. Yeah, um, so keep working on that, you invite?

Speaker 2:

us to your school someday we've done that. Uh, you know, like with racing to read okay, so that was a really good program and when I was uh on the marketing and sponsorship team for strong racing yeah you know, we took the the um, the u8 out to I think it was kirkland, kirkland middle school yeah and you know we had that on display, we did the simulator there and the kids got a new taste of like hey, I actually got to drive a boat yeah you know so, and I think ways to connect the kids that that way will bring more fans in we had a line.

Speaker 2:

Kids were coming back after break I didn't get a chance like okay, all right, we got you, we got you, but that's what it's all about.

Speaker 1:

I'd like to hear that. Well, I've got some weird schedule next year. I have one section of pe, so I wonder if we could do something where you need to be fit to drive. Right get them in shape. Get them in shape.

Speaker 2:

We can set up a course. You can run around it. There we go, there we go.

Speaker 1:

All right, we'll talk more about that after we get some promotions going there. Well, I don't think we talked about it though. What? What went into the decision making to not run the 440 this year?

Speaker 2:

yeah, again, you know. So just thinking back, like we first went through the test session, we had some electrical issues so we didn't get a chance to run it there. And then, boy, so impressed with kelly, he said, hey, we're gonna, when we had no plans of doing this. Hey, we're gonna take the boat to guntersville. We feel bad about the electrical issues. We're going to take the boat to Guntersville. We feel bad about the electrical issues, we're just going to do that.

Speaker 2:

I was like wow okay, and you know, obviously we hadn't gotten any additional sponsorship for that. That was just out of the kindness of Kelly, sharon and the team's heart. They wanted to see it happen. So we got to Guntersville, we threw down some decent laps, like you know. We had a couple 129s that first day and then the next day 140s, you know, uh, and then we had the 148 and then we were just going to go get our next set of laps and you know, I knew I could smell. I could smell something, you know, and I knew that was probably the gearbox. And then I saw the temperatures go up and then, you know, the gearbox let go, and so they're still running their number one boat.

Speaker 2:

And then kelly dedicated all of his time to rebuilding that gearbox and it's custom so he remakes all the gears and that's countless hours, countless hours to get that done, but he did it and so we had it ready for tri-cities. And then, same thing, you know, we went out out and we've added extra water cooling. You know he has an oil pump that pumps in extra oil to keep it cool and just there's a point where it let go and it let go in different places. So it wasn't, like you know, with Kelly's mind and with everyone pouring in, that we had a root cause to the problem. So rebuilt it again and got it ready for Seattle and man, one lap left and it.

Speaker 2:

Let go in Seattle, and it's like, oh, but that sure isn't for lack of trying and just knowing all the things that the team tried. Sometimes you have to just take a step back and say, all right, is this working or not? And it's a beautiful boat, it was fun to drive, man, I really enjoyed it. It's just, you know, only getting five laps at a time and the amount of work was going into it and the distraction for the team, it just didn't make sense, okay, yeah well, I remember last, last year in seattle, you had that you were going to go out and I thought.

Speaker 1:

I thought I was going to see history made yeah, yeah I looked over at Ricky McQueen, one of a fan of the sport. Yeah, we've talked with him. Yeah, we looked at each other and we're going to put one finger up and we're ready to see it happen. But it didn't quite happen.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I mean Ricky, and so many fans. Just there was so much support. And, you know, I realized at that moment, though I had a critical choice, like could I be down about it? Sure, Sure, I could be like, oh, you know why did this happen? But that just there were too many eyes on me and I knew I needed to do the right thing, and that's just make sure to show a positive face and continue doing what I'm doing, which is I smile and engage the fans, and I think people were blown away by that. Aren't you upset? Hey, you know what it's happened. There's nothing I can do about it now, but it's what I can do moving forward. And man, I think we got a lot of kids in that boat. I think I made a ton of fans and you know, around the the 440 boat, which we know was the slowest boat, we had a lot of fans that just wanted to see what the underdog was doing that's really cool.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, awesome to hear that one lap left, but uh, was that all you had to do to qualify as a driver? What other qualifications you need to to be a qualified h1 driver?

Speaker 2:

well, it's interesting you hear on the telecast a lot where, hey, he's got his 15 laps and he's qualified. But truly, if you look at the rule books there, there is the 15 laps 10 at 130 miles per hour or higher. I had one lap to do and it needed to be above 130, but I also had two competition heats that I needed to get in with a sign off from a referee and then that's when you're truly officially qualified and supposedly there's even some book that you get to sign, which.

Speaker 2:

Hey, I want to sign that book, but yeah, I want to make it official.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, need the competition, all right. So one more lap and then two more heats, and then you're officially qualified as a driver.

Speaker 2:

Yeah. And there were people who were like man, we want you that lap. It's like yeah, but it's more than that. So you know I gotta build the right team around me and we've seen rookies get their 15 laps in in 15 minutes all right, so it can be done. It's just I need the team around me, need to get into competition, and then really that's where the learning begins. I mean that the qualifying is one part, but learning how to race in competition, there's a, like you said earlier, a steep learning curve curve.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, so it's hard to do to qualify now in someone else's boat, right? I mean, there's so many few boats or so few boats out there right now. You can't just really step in and say, you know, why don't you sit down in a couple of heats? Yeah, and you know.

Speaker 2:

I think there was a post out there and every driver has earned their spot. Yeah, so it's not about wanting to get into someone else's, it's more just like, hey, how can we grow the sport and get more seats available? And you know, I would love to be a part of getting another seat available for me and then, who knows, maybe that ends up being for someone else. You know, once I'm done, obviously that's how we grow the sport, it's race sites and it's seats for teams to be a part of. But this year and you know, I think it's been really remarkable, like Daryl's vision for H1 and where he's going with it. And I know, early on he told me, hey, it may not look that much different this year, but just know what's going on behind the scenes. Told me, hey, it may not look that much different this year, but just know what's going on behind the scenes and he's doing a really great job of making it easy for the race sites to work with H1. And I think that's important because the race sites feel better about it. And then you know he's looking to add on additional race sites. Well then that starts growing our fan base.

Speaker 2:

But then also, like the telecast, you know I was kind of joking with you earlier about I was listening to the telecast on the way here and we know everyone's busy in life but that telecast is so easy to grab off youtube and listen or watch on your phone. If you're, you know, out walking the dog, you can kind of be looking at the telecast because I I do understand like people are busy but there's so many ways to engage. And then, you know, I also think about like how they're changing the telecast too, like I think Erica Allred I think she does an amazing job of just pulling out the stories from the drivers and you know, and a younger captures a younger audience.

Speaker 2:

And, Brad, I know you're 40. I know that, but I think she's a little younger than you. But you know we are, we're bringing on a new audience and that's that's what we need to do. Yeah.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, I love seeing the addition of Erica because she's bringing in something we haven't seen as much lately with the interviews pre and post races. I mean, when I was growing up in the 80s 90s, watching on ESPN and when it was mainstream racing, we had so much of that going on that it really got connections with the drivers. I was a fan of Steve Reynolds for his personality. You can see that we got some big personalities in the sport. Now we do and we need to see more of that so we can you know people can. It's not just the boat out there, it's the driver as well. And we need to get that, to get those personalities, so people can make connections. And it kind of reminds me of something. Years ago I was talking to Mike Fitzsimmons and he was talking about the evolution of the sport and when the canopy was brought in, I mean no doubt saved lives.

Speaker 2:

We need it.

Speaker 1:

But the fans kind of lost a connection then because you didn't see the drivers. When it was open cockpits, you could see the drivers they're bouncing around, you could see their faces, you could see their uniforms. But now, with all the safety, again we need it. Safety, the Hans device. They have the enclosed canopy, small windows. You don't have that connection with the driver out there that you had before. So love seeing what Erica's doing. Yeah, love to see more interviews on the beach, on the docks, because that does bring in more fanfare.

Speaker 2:

It does, it does on the beach, on the docks, because that does bring in more fanfare. It does, it does. Yeah, and I think I never even thought about that the open cockpit and how much of a difference that makes. I always think about just what you can do once you get out of the boat. But you're right, and we can bring you along with us. I mean the footage that we take on the boats, that the H1 broadcast team does. You know that that's pretty special and you know, maybe even some more in capsule videos would be fun too.

Speaker 2:

I know we did some of those, we tested some of those with with J Michael when I was part of Strong and I know the the over the lid capsule or over the capsule view is a good one too, but sometimes it is good to see, like the driver, and how much how much you're affected in the boat and I when, when you get out of the boat and you actually see what it looked like wow, it was moving that much.

Speaker 1:

Yeah.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, you were, but you're so focused and the adrenaline's going you have no idea how much, how much you're going through as you're facing three to five G's in the corner.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, and I think Brian Montgomery put another video together a little while back, but it showed the foot pedals and all the footwork going on. And, it was kind of appearing, had a picture in picture of that going on, while I think it was Dave Vilwock qualifying years ago.

Speaker 2:

Dave Vilwock and Jay Michael went to yeah.

Speaker 1:

But just how much footwork's going on as they're going around the course to move the canards. Keep the throttle going. That's right, Working the throttle and the wheel as well. So you're busy, busy.

Speaker 2:

You're correcting a lot. Yeah, there, correcting a lot. Yeah, there's a lot of correction and then just a lot of feedback coming in and your peripheral vision, your straight on vision, your radio person in your ear and what they're telling you, reacting to the water and trying to read the wind, looking at the flags. There's so many things that drivers are doing all of that time. It's a lot, yeah.

Speaker 1:

Well, one question I have. I want to go back years ago. You got some laps in then. Jones nine boat yeah, the camera. Where was that? Was that right? Tri-cities and Tracy's? Yeah, that's right. So talk me through. How does that come about, and what was that first experience like?

Speaker 2:

yeah, yeah, yeah. So that was 2012 and really I wasn't ready. But they were looking for someone to help find sponsors and they'd heard that, hey, I heard you're good at finding sponsors. So Brent lobbed one over and said, well, yeah, but you know, I'm not really interested in like the finder's fee. I would really more rather like laps on the boat or something like that. And they're like, hmm, nah, it's like okay. And then, but they came back to me and Jeff Campbell, you know obviously one of the crew chiefs for Strong Racing and he came back to me and said, hey, if you think you can get something together, we'd entertain it.

Speaker 2:

And so we got some amazing sponsors on that boat. We had AT&T, we had Seattle Suntan I still always joke, yep, sponsor to brother and then we had Seattle seattle home appliance. We had, uh, le choix, yeah, yeah, and le choix. That that's a really interesting one, because, uh, I think we just found um uh david on linkedin and I called him while I was on a business trip and said, hey, you know, what do you think? This is what we're trying to do, and they really liked that. We were kind of this community team coming together and weren't like the high dollar sponsor and we, we grew that. So that was, that was really exciting. And so we found a few sponsors and he said, all right, well, we'll let you have some laps. And I don't know how many people knew up until that day that it was going to happen. And uh, sure enough, jumped in the boat, uh, got a 139, I think, in tri-cities, and that you know that boat's come a long way since then so yeah yeah, there's.

Speaker 2:

There's been a lot of changes to it. But you know, my speeds weren't that far off of john zimmerman, who was a driver at the time. He, he was hitting about a 178 at the end of the straightaway. I hit like a, I think a, I think it's 176, I hit like a 174, okay, and then my corners were a little slower, so I was about a 122 at the slowest in the corner. I think his slowest was a 128. But for my first time out I was like, hey, that's not bad.

Speaker 2:

And then seafair we were really running short on time, so I got a couple laps at seafair but I knew I needed more time in a, in a, in a another big boat, but maybe even a step down. And that's when, um, I met jerry hop and got a chance to, uh, race grand prix and scott baker of baker propellers he's the one who connected us he's's like, hey, you need to meet somebody. I was like okay, and so he introduced me to Jerry, who became my Mr Miyagi, and Jerry taught me a lot about how to manage a big boat and he's been racing since 1969, raced into his 70s, and both he and Greg, you know, gave me some tutelage and I got to split seat time when Jerry was driving the GP15 and Greg was driving for Shell Haste and he did that for off and on for about six, seven years. So I got a lot of really good experience there.

Speaker 1:

Well, excellent, yeah. Well, getting back to, we were talking about the additions with the H1 and the changes. Yeah, a lot of it. Yeah, we don't see it because it's a short season and so much is done in the offseason. Hopefully next year we'll get some more race sites added.

Speaker 2:

Yep.

Speaker 1:

What other tidbits can you share with the fans? The fans don't know what all is going on.

Speaker 2:

Sure, sure, and I think the fans that follow the sport closely had been following for the last couple of years and had been complaining about the 80 mile an hour rule and I think you know the our new hydro town group really understood that and they really want the racing to be decided on the course and less disqualification. So I love seeing the output of that, you know, and the new rules around the starting and pulling out the 80 mile an hour rule. You heard Brad Luce talk about that extensively. You also heard Mike Denslow come on and talk about transparency. Yeah, and we would always be kind of left scratching our heads when you'd hear about someone getting the trophy and then later on that trophy was taken back because of a rule decision.

Speaker 2:

And again, this is nothing to do with, uh, anyone who was doing the refereeing at that time, because all great people it's. Just, you know, how could we make those decisions happen or how could we write the rule book so that the decisions could happen at the race? And I heard brad talk over and over again like, hey, you know decisions have been made within 10 minutes. Uh, you know, all boats are clear on the race course. You know those. That's some transparency that it was nice to have and, unfortunately, for the folks that were still managing the rule book the right way at the right time, because those were the rules. Yeah, they kind of got a bad rap for that because it was we didn't really have the infrastructure to support the rules, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1:

Well, yeah, it's. It's great to see transparency, and there was an issue with qualifying in Madison and you saw Mike Denzel actually, you know, wrote up a little statement about it, that's right Sent it out to the, to the public, so we could understand what's going on. So we, yeah, glad to see more of that happening. You did, which is needed.

Speaker 2:

Daryl even kind of chimed in when his book got disqualified. It's nice to see people step up and, hey, you can do the right thing all the time. But when something goes wrong and you own up to it, or if you get called for something and you own up to it, man, you almost gain more credibility than if you'd just done the right thing. So I love seeing that. I think the fans will embrace that too, and just knowing who the winner is and there was definitely a clear winner this weekend for sure yeah, there was.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, tate's got some major speed, he's got some horsepower and he's a great driver and I love seeing how he's a great driver and I love, you know, seeing how he's interviewing too. You know, I think he's someone you can build the sport upon. And J Michael too. You're starting to see some driver personalities that people really, really attach to Corey's. Another one, I think just the more and you said this earlier the more people can get to know them as people, and you know the sense of humor and even just the passion or the frustration. Those are the things you want to follow, right, right, yep, going around the race course is great, but who am I rooting for, right? And you mentioned Steve Reynolds man. I love that guy, you know, to this day. He's just so entertaining and he used to drive the race course in a pleasure boat and tell you, like you know his starting procedure.

Speaker 1:

Oh, right, right, right yeah.

Speaker 2:

I mean those kinds of things to be able to connect with someone. Like that. It's like wow, I'm like in the boat with him. You know any more things that we can do like that, I think will help us.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, I think I would love to see more just outside of racing too, throughout the off-season. What are their daily jobs like?

Speaker 2:

Sure, what do they like in the shop? Do they work out? Yeah, right.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, what do they do to work out? What do they do for the reflexes?

Speaker 2:

Sure, how do?

Speaker 1:

they do on the hydro sim. Yeah, does the crew want them in the shop or do they not want them in the shop? Right, I've heard stories, yeah, like Bill Muncy would come around the shop and they would mess with the crew would kind of show out.

Speaker 2:

You know cause he didn't know what was going on, but a lot of drivers nowadays do so yeah, and I think you know people don't know that, but you know, you just think if other people got to understand what you do about racing, how much more they would love it. So we've got to bring it.

Speaker 1:

Well, I'm looking forward to you being back on the water in a few weeks next year. We'll see.

Speaker 2:

I mean I think the closer we get to tri-season Seattle, the more I have to resign myself that I may be on the shore. But you never know, but I'm already thinking about 2025 and building relationships and making sure to keep my face and my voice out there. So thank you for helping me with that too.

Speaker 1:

So what can fans do to support you? How can they show their support for you?

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I think one. They do it quite a bit, which is when I post something about racing, whether it's mine or my son's. I do know my son should. If we do the J program again, he should be out there, so just cheering us on.

Speaker 2:

And then, obviously, you know, from a sponsorship perspective or if you're working for a company that you think might look good on a boat, yeah, you know, let us know, and I've done lots of public speaking events and many times the sponsor part of the reason why they get involved with boat racing is it's it builds the community and their um, you know, their employee engagement.

Speaker 2:

So, having a boat like I can only imagine mercury coffee, uh, baristas, and how excited they are to know they've got a boat on the water and they get to pass out coffee or they get to see the, the shirts and maybe they can buy those or maybe they can win those, you know, so that that builds, uh, a whole new unit of fans. And uh, you know, but just follow me and uh, continue to to cheer me on as you start to see me get back in boats, because we know that's what's going to happen. But yeah, I just have been so thankful for the amount of support that I've had up to this point, and I'll just continue sharing my story, and more will come.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, excellent, excellent. Well, I know you were busy in the offseason looking at boats, looking at sponsors, trying to get the program put together. Uh, you mentioned steve lamson. Yeah, marketing, I'll say I'll say he's a marketing or h1 he's a bulldog, he gets it done yeah, yeah. Was there anyone else that was in this endeavor with you?

Speaker 2:

anyone else?

Speaker 2:

that supported you, yeah, so yeah, and I did mention you know we worked with uh kelly stockland and he. But there was another really special person who just was always in my ear. Sometimes I get a call at like 6 am. Hey, I got something to tell you. I was like, okay, what you got, because I'm usually up and his name is Gary Coles and Gary is just someone who knows the sport inside and out and has always gotten in on like what's going on with different boats and, you know, suggested several different boats for me to go after and was just always in my corner.

Speaker 2:

You know, really he understands the mechanical side and boat rides and has worked with lots of different drivers and just nice to have someone in my corner. There were times, you know, you might get a little down or darn, that didn't work out, let's try this. And he was always like well, on to the next let's let's figure it out. We got this and you know there were times where maybe he was even a little disappointed that we didn't get it together this year. But he's someone who's definitely in my corner and has always looked out for me and I know he will continue you yeah so gary's amazing yeah, well, that's great to hear.

Speaker 1:

I mean there's there's one thing that's special about this sport. It seems, uh, almost everyone I I interview they talk about family, yeah, and everyone in this kind of looks out for each other and they want to support each other because they want they want to make sure the racing happens on the water. So it seems like everyone's just kind of helping each other out it, definitely, definitely.

Speaker 2:

And I have noticed that not only with my own racing but with my sons. So that was a little bit like coming full circle because I we were joking about Bill Muncy and not really being the mechanical person. Well, kind of same for me, like I had a two and a half stock, but I'd always run it to Brian.

Speaker 1:

Haney's.

Speaker 2:

Brian, can you help me figure out what I got?

Speaker 1:

to do here.

Speaker 2:

And or then I drove other people's boats and when my son started racing, well guess he's a crew chief, now it's me. So I had to learn how to wrench and you know, kind of pick that up and definitely not perfect. Dad makes mistakes on crew chief and that happens. But I'd say it's really helped me become a better driver, going back to school helping him with his boat, because you know, many people started that way and I started as a rookie at 36 and now kind of learning backwards. But it's all a learning process if you look at it that way. Yeah, definitely.

Speaker 1:

Well before you go, because I know you used to race radio-controlled boats.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I was kind of geeking out in your shop.

Speaker 1:

I was like ooh, that's cool If you ever got back into radio control. Yeah, scale hydroplanes. Um, it's actually. I don't know if many know this, but brian perkins he races now and he is collecting some boats, man he is and jamie nelson uh yeah, I raced with him a month ago or so. Um, if you got back out there, what, what would you want your model to be? What, what would you build for your first one back?

Speaker 2:

Oh well, so I'll tell you this really quickly. So Harold said you got to choose either race model boats or you. You race big boats but you don't do both, yeah, so obviously I got a job to do and getting qualified. So whatever boat I get qualified in in, that will definitely be my first boat back okay, and I did have the opportunity.

Speaker 2:

Uh, matt um from the classic thunder uh hydroplane racing team. He has a model of the u9 that I drove back in 2012 and I ended up sponsoring one of their races and he let me drive that after the race was done. He's like, yeah, after the race and I still got it, he's like well, okay, you put it on the hook. So yeah, man, I had a blast, nice yeah.

Speaker 1:

Well, I have a model of your old bubble bud.

Speaker 2:

Yes, you do, mitch.

Speaker 1:

Dillard built originally, so in the meantime, Don't you let anybody take that, in the meantime, we We'll have to bring it out one day and let you do some laps. I'd be honored. Yeah, we'll do that one day. Yeah, awesome. Well, thanks for being on the program. It's great talking with you, brent, and look forward to seeing you on the water.

Speaker 2:

My pleasure. Yeah, it's been a blast and great to spend the day with you. Yeah.

Speaker 1:

Thank you Well, listeners, hope you had as much fun listening to that interview as as I did talking with Brent. It was great having him out at the house watching the Madison Regatta and talking about hydroplanes what else? I'm really excited for him to be back on the water. As I said before, lots of fun and great things coming around for the sport of hydroplane racing. That's all we have for this week, though I got some fun stuff on the horizon, looking forward to racing once again and again.

Speaker 1:

If you have more people that you want me to reach out to and talk to around this, uh, this sport of hydrogen racing, this passion that I have and that you have as well, I want to hear their stories, their side of things. Let me know. Reach out. Uh, you can see me on social media. We're on Facebook, Instagram. I try as hard as I can to respond to messages there, but you can also reach me through email, roostertailtalk at gmailcom, and there's also another way to contact me through our website roostertailtalkcom. Love to hear from you. Who do you want to hear from? Who's got some great stories that we should get out to you? Let me know. But, again, that's all we have for this week. So until next time, I hope to see you at the races.